Bloom Socket: First Prototype, Design and Usage Feedback Requested

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Bloom Socket: First Prototype, Design and Usage Feedback Requested

Postby andreas » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:42 am

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Pipe thread end effector interface in this proof of concept, but will incorporate something more functional soon
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Thermoformed petal v2
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Petal attachment method
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View into the socket-- planning on four petals for better fit in next rev
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As-printed flat petal
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Rev 1 hub and rev 1 petal
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Re: Bloom Socket: First Prototype, Design and Usage Feedback Requested

Postby AdamArabian » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:44 pm

I have a hard time determining what may happen - its such a nonstandard socket design that I don't know if any of us really have a sense for what a three-leaf design like that would do. It could be awesome, but it could also produce pinch points or abrasions at the edges. If you wore a sock underneath it it would help but then you're just relying on squeezing the living daylights out of your arm to keep it on which may not be ideal.

I can think of problems but none that wouldn't show up in very early testing so I'd suggest we try doing just that - some very early testing! I have an IRB that should get approved shortly which I think would allow me to use a socket like this and see what happens (if the prosthetist I'm working with is willing gto play along at least...)

My only recommendation before that would be to reverse curl the edges when thermoforming just to prevent sharp edges.

I'll defer to my elders/betters/wisers though if they have other ideas.

Another thought - the "hub" portion looks pretty long which limits its utility (requires moderate to short transradial amputees). Just in general the shorter you can make it the better it is.

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Re: Bloom Socket: First Prototype, Design and Usage Feedback Requested

Postby davidcdietz » Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:39 pm

For the traditional transradial arm protheses, the movement of pronation and supination typically takes place at the wrist. On the human body pronation and supination taks place at the elbow the radius pivots around the ulna. Here is a discussion about the movement. if this design was modified to pivot around the static residual limb socket I belive it could offer great stability and pressure relief at the residual limb. If the proximal edge of the "petals" is concave and can fit into a convex lip at the socket the TD could spin at from the elbow joint rather than at the wrist. The benifit would be better distribution of the load at the socket and better distributing pressure at the residual limb. basically a spinning functional fairing. Here is a neat drawing of the action of pronation and supination coming from the elbow.

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Re: Bloom Socket: First Prototype, Design and Usage Feedback Requested

Postby davidcdietz » Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:41 pm

So yes a contiuous concave lip spinning aorund the socket.

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Re: Bloom Socket: First Prototype, Design and Usage Feedback Requested

Postby Skip Meetze » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:21 am

For the Monette Modular Arm (soon to be published in the forum) we are connecting the modular elements using the O&P standard 1/2-20 (1/2 inch fine thread, M12 fine thread outside the US). We are thermoforming to capture a nut or bolt in a printed-in hexagonal recess. Perhaps your petals will sometimes be easier to form over a longer residual forearm than the Monette socket that Jeff Erenstone has been developing. I look forward to hearing about some testing results.

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Re: Bloom Socket: First Prototype, Design and Usage Feedback Requested

Postby AdamArabian » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:30 am

Skip - whats the ETA on the arm? We're pretty eager to see the latest!

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Re: Bloom Socket: First Prototype, Design and Usage Feedback Requested

Postby Jfwinston » Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:45 pm

Andreas, has this prototype received testing since this post? Is there a newer version that you are working with?

The idea of a ratcheting mechanism similar to this https://vimeo.com/204128272 has been tossed around.
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